The Cleveland Browns are an embarrassment to the city of Cleveland. Today, the Browns didn’t even show up for the inner state rivalry game against the Cincinnati Bengals. We can complain about Charlie Frye not having the talent, Braylon Edwards not shutting his mouth, or the offensive line not blocking. The bottom line is Romeo Crennel needs to be FIRED.
I know everyone is tired of new coaches, new players, and new management, but Crennel’s style is not working for this organization. Phil Savage promised this city a new image. The current image is the worst it’s been since the return of the Browns.
I have said this since Modell and his backstabbing group left town. We need a coach that “gets in face of players” when they don’t listen. This teams needs discipline and a WE attitude. I refuse to wait till the end of the year to fix this problem. This city and fans deserve changes NOW and the first should be the FIRING OF ROMEO CRENNEL.
I agree 100%. Just as I said in my previous post… This team needs a new leader. I just heard Crennel’s comments concerning the Edwards scuffle and he basically said “boys will be boys.” Ridiculous!!!!!
check my comments regarding crennel under the previous thread. needless to say, he should of never been hired, i only hope grossi is right, COWER could be the next coach. we can always dream!
Something has to give, either Crennel or Savage has to go. Maybe the Browns would’ve been better off hiring Charlie Weis. Maybe they’d be better off with New England’s GM. Whatever needs to be done, do it. I’m sick and tired of watching sorry ass football in this city. It’s a damn shame that the college teams are better than the pros. I bet the Buckeyes would shut out the Browns. These dudes suck. Maybe Lerner should sell the team. I wonder if Dan Gilbert is interested, at least he gives a damn about his team. Randy Lerner is an @sshole, yeah I said it. This franchise is a phuckin joke. I’m ashamed to be a Browns fan. If Lebron leaves, I will too!!!
Okay Phil, after yesterday, I’m done. What an embarressment by a team that you told us not to give up on. Gee, I know Rome wasn’t built in a day but lets recap what Browns fans have seen sine 1999:
-Crappy quarterback
-Crappy running game
-Crappy offensive play calling
-Crappy defensive pressure on opposing quarterback
-Crappy defense on the field way to long for game (yet again over 30 min)
-No creativity from head coach (onside kick, going on 4th down…….)
-Critical penalties at the right time (special teams yet again)
and the list goes on and on and on…………
According to you Phil, we had better talent, another year in this system and hungary players who wanted to win….What happened???????
I see a series of question marks on the team. Where do we go in the draft?????
Ginn, Peterson, Quinn, Smith, Ross, Stud DE or LB????? Were do we start, yet again??????? Do you go against your own words and start getting OL in the draft instead of getting projects to work on.
Football is a game that is won on the OL & DL. Our OL can’t block anyone, yesterday proved that yet AGAIN against the worst defense in the NFL. Our DL can’t pressure or stop a QB, we’ven shown that since I can’t remember when, oh and 1 sack between all our starting DL, Nice for that upgrade.
So, where do we start this off Phil?????
Finally, if we do fire Crennel, do you really think Cowher or Tressel would want to come into this disaster??? Think about it.
I’ve been a Browns fan for a LONG TIME and I did somethiong for the second time in my life (and again this year). I turned the game off because I couldn’t take it any more. First was the Carolina game and then yesterday. Thanks for that Phil.
I’m really embarressed this morning to be a Browns fan, and it pains me to say that about something I’m so passionate about and live for.
I waited so long after last off season for this.
Thanks Again Phil
idt does all come back to the leadership, but the fact is , no matter how we look at it, charlie frye is the worst quarterback in the nfl. the line may be questionable, but the onl;y thing he can hit, is the dirt!!!
Why are we blaming Crennel for the offense. Before it was Carthon and now Crennel. Why not Davidson?………hmmmmmmm. Anyway-It’s not Crennel’s doing. The is the GM for not wanting a decent backup QB because it would rattle Charlie, ALL OF YOU WANTED CHARLIE AND DON’T SAY YOU DIDN’T. Be careful what you wish for. As I said 1000 times-it wasn’t Carthon…the players sucks. They get paid millions to block-they don’t, millions to catch-they don’t , millions to throw the ball decently-they don’t. A coach cannot change that. Weiss isn’t great as everyone thinks-he runs the same plays he has the past 7 years-ask USC and if you think Crennel is conservatve-bring Tressel up here and you’ll see a way of conservatism that would make the Clarence Thomas blush. When your players SUCK-and ours do-in the NFL you are screwed, no matter who the coach happens to be.
are all the players that bad? for example – jurevicious – he has always been steady and successful throughout his nfl career – yet as soon as he gets here he becomes invisible? is that his fault? the o-line? the qb? the coaches?
the o-line is completely worthless but i have a hard time judging skill positions on this team because as everyone says the game is won and lost in the trenches.
i have a feeling that no matter what talent you bring on to this team it will become crippled by this coaching staff.
i am at a total loss on this situation. i felt like savage and crennel deserved at least 3 years to get to 10 wins but i just don’t see how it is possible now. i’ve also supported charlie all along because he seemed okay while playing behind the worst o-line in the nfl. but i’m starting to lose faith with all the int’s. screw braylon he is a thug who may as well be playing in the nba. he is worthless.
i guarantee that if you took payton manning and put him on this team tomorrow he wouldn’t have much more luck than charlie is having because our line is worthless. perfect example – look at edgrin in arizona after leaving the colts. his average carry is down more than 1 yard this year from last and over 1.5 yards from 2 years ago.
anyhow, i can’t believe this team is still so worthless – COACHES INCLUDED. i feel like if we can get smith or quinn in round 1 we take him and then we take o-line players with the next 3 picks…
I would have to agree with some of the responses.
1st of all, Why did the Browns put Davidson in charge of the Offense to begin with? Wasn’t he responsible for one of the worst parts of the team?
2nd of all, Charlie is not the answer! Just in case you think Quinn or Smith might be, your wrong. He continues to stare down receivers and his inability to read defenses are as much a reason for the sacks as the offensive line.
3rd of all, Do you really think bringing in another coach at this time is going to help? Or bringing in anouter GM? Savage’s first 2 picks this year have seemed to pan out into decent starters….Now the rest of his picks the jury is still out on.
What magical coach is going to come in and bring instant satisfaction to this city/team? Why start over? So we can all say the same thing after 2 years again. There is not a coach out there that can come in and turn this team into instant winners. It took Chuck Knoll 4 years before he had a winning record. Do we as fans want to live with the knowledge that we yet again kicked another good coach out the door….
My point is, to build a new way of success, we need to give this group a chance, more so then 2 years.
It took chuck noll 4 years but if i recall correctly there was PROGRESS in all 3 of those years. Do you really see any progress at this point after 2 years? Even Butch had the team in the playoffs after 2 years, and they were 2-14 or 3-13 the previous year. This is just a pathetic situation, and as a Browns fan it is hopelessy embarrassing at this point. 8 years and this is what we have to show for it? Players attacking each other on the sidelines while the coach makes some assinine comment that “boys will be boys”> This is an absolute unfunny joke..
Yes yes yes… Fire Romeo… of course the national media will jump all over us for firing Romeo and saying that he needed time and that is why the Brown’s stink, they don’t give time… etc.
to a certain extent you do need time. but did the browns give palmer time? NO, 2 years and out, and i think he had less talent than this team has. how much time does it take to see if someone is a failed bit or not? 2 years, too bad? someone mentioned butch getting it done in less than 2 years. he had 7 wins his first year, with definitely less talent than this team. crennel should of never been hired, but as much as i think it is possible that cower would be interested, i don’t think he will leave pitt and come here before sitting a year. so we either are stuck for one more lame year or hire another, crennel, palmer, carson…….
i have repeatedly stated that crennel/savage should have 3 years to get to 10 wins. if they can’t do it in 3 what makes you think they can do it in 4 or 5?
and the bigger problem is the team actually seems to be performing worse.
it all is killing me…
Ok, I wanted to see consistency, which cannot be attained firing the coach every 2-3 years. But Crennel was never my first choice, so can him. So now who will replace him?
Why on earth would Cowher want to come to this train wreck of an organization? Cowher won 1 Super Bowl in 16 years of coaching Pittsburgh, and it was the most contested officiating in the history of the Super Bowl. Cowher had homefield 3 times as their coach and couldn’t win it any of those times. Without the help of the refs last February, would we even be having this conversation?
Here’s what the Browns will not do: 1) hire a college coach 2) hire a coach with no previous head coaching experience
I don’t think there is anyone out there who is heads and tails above the rest. Jeff Fischer does not excite me. I don’t want Kirk Ferencz from Iowa. I don’t want Jim Tressel to leave OSU for this disastrous franchise. I don’t want Jim Mora Jr.
The Browns have been such a sorry excuse for a team that I wouldn’t mind if they packed up and left again.
i agree with dave
All I gotta say is that I’ll give em next year to make the team competitive. Put it this way, the D should be improved with the rookies going into their 2nd year in 3-4 & hopefully we get our secondary back & maybe with a DE & 2nd corner added to the team!! We get Braylon & K2 back healthy at beginning of the season with Charlie in his 3rd year with LeCharles & hopefully an improved O-line through the draft (looking at where we’ll draft no reason why we cant get a stud tackle & a suitable guard) Now if this happens & the same shit is going on then I say get rid of Crennel!!! I am willing to give more time, because nothing is done overnight & starting over means 5 years down the road to compete!!!!
Rich
A few years ago, I would have agreed with you. It does NOT require 5 years if we get a new coach in the NFL any more. Look at all the worst-to-first stories and all the teams contending now who weren’t in the playoffs last year.
You’re also assuming a whole lot. Assuming Edwards blossoms into a player worthy of the #3 pick is a big stretch right now. He drops as many balls as Northcutt. Even more of an unknown is LeCharles Bentley. I won’t be surprised if he’s done for good or nowhere near what he once was. Baxter is done completely and it looks like Ryan Tucker is as well. One or two linemen drafted in rounds 1-4 are needed, plus a big free agent signing. But then again, who in their right mind would want to come here? If Savage has a brain, he needs to go after Eric Steinbach and correct the mistake that Butch Davis made 3 years ago.
I wouldn’t be mad if this team left town. They’re a phuckin joke. I know coaches can turn it around in their first year. Last year it was Billy Bob Saban, this year Sean Peyton is doing it. Sh!t we could have Tom Landry as the coach and it wouldn’t mean squat if they don’t draft the right players. They can pack up and move to LA, whatever. This team is not worty of being called the Browns.
If we change we will set ourselves back. Some teams turn around the first year but you ever notice the following they always SUCK. Because there is no true foundation. If we stick with Romeo(and the front office doesn’t undermine his authority like in the Carthon situation) then I believe we will be a contender.
Anonymous:
You’re wrong. In Romeo’s 1st year, 2005, we were 6-10, which was an improvement of 2 wins from the previous season. In 2001, when Butch took over, we went 7-9, which was a 4 game improvement from 2000. In 2002, Butch took this team to the playoffs in his 2nd year.
How can we possibly set ourselves back any further – we’re at rock bottom. A 41-0 loss last December and a 30-0 at the end of Nov in year #2 of the Romeo regime is NOT progress.
This team has more talented players than either the 1999 or 2000 team and will finish with perhaps 1-2 more wins. There is no excuse for such a lack of progress. Last year was better than this: with the exception of 2 games, the Browns played competitively and were in each game. This year, they have come out completely unprepared in the season opener and against Cincinnati (twice). They blew games they should have one (Baltimore, Pittsburgh) and trailed a team they should have demolished (Oakland).
You’re living in a fantasy land if you thjnk Crennel can right this ship. I think Savage has to pick the absolute right coach this time or else Savage should go too.
Don’t forget Carolina. We should’ve beat them. And New Orleans. At this point, I don’t think the Browns would beat Boise State, Florida State, Michigan State, or Miami. I wouldn’t rule out Pittsburgh either. LSU?, please. Those boys would whoop the Browns real good. I think Glenville would beat them.
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I’m 16 years old and live in Indianapolis, Indiana. I’ve grown up loving the Browns with all my heart. My dad had Dawg Pound seats in Municipal Stadium, he taped almost all the games that were on TV at the time. Every weekend when I was little my dad and I watched a game that he taped before the Browns were moved. A great memory I have watching these games is when the Browns played the Steelers at home and Eric Metcalf ran back two punts for TDs. I remember Cris Collinsworth calling the game and when Metcalf ran the second punt back saying “Look at the little guy go!” When I was 5, I saw my first Browns game, in fact it was the last game the Browns would be playing the Steelers in Municipal Stadium. I’m not giving any excuses, but I believe that us fans can be the blame for some of the lack of effort the Browns give.
THE STADIUM ATMOSPHERE IS NOT THE SAME AS IT USED TO BE. THE DAWG POUND IS NOT THE SAME. WE NEED TO BRING THAT BACK!!
Starting this weekend against the Chiefs we need bring the atmosphere in from Municipal Stadium. We need to restore the Dawg Pound, make it what people remember from the Kardiac Kids days. Us fans need to show even more emotion than what we already have shown for our team.
We still need to have the love, faith, and loyalty we have for our team. We can’t give up on our team even if we have a bad record. No support for our team= no reason to play for the players.
The love and support for our team makes us the best fans anywhere, that’s what makes us Browns fans.
We love our Browns, there is no reason to give up. We the fans cannot stop loving our team.
We need to think about the future, how great it is going to be when we make the playoffs and win the SuperBowl. It is going to make those wins even more-sweet than it already will be. We need to weather the storm, stick together like Browns fans do, and support our team with all we have.
MAKE THE CLEVELAND BROWNS WHAT IT USED TO BE. IT STARTS WITH THE FANS. STICK TOGETHER AND CHEER ON OUR BROWNIES.
It’s not the coach, it’s not the off. coordinator-IT IS THE PLAYERS! We lost to Pitt 41-0 because we are supposed to. The are the SB champs, they are better than us at every position, we had a rookie at qb, no Braylon and no KW2-WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET BLOWN. What fans don’t understand is that the players stink. Now if you want to get mad at the GM for picking them-okay then but that’s it. Do you know the coaches who’ve been through what Crennel is going through-Bill Walsh, Cowher, Belicheck, Landry, Homlgren……..
Considering a lot of these players on the offense are young and inexperienced (Frye, Edwards, Winslow) and our o-line is terrible, who really thought our offense was gonna be stellar this year? Alex Smith struggled & look like an absolute bust his rookie year and now he looks like a QB with a good future!! I really think we need time for the offense with better protection on the o’line in the offseason!! I know thats not what everyone wants to heat but its the truth!! Turning a shitty team around takes time. The fact that this team has been back 8 years & no good for most of the time here is wearing on fans to the point where we overexaggerate how bad things are to where we want to start over. Dont get me wrong , things are bad , but i think we have a good young core of guys to build around!! Get some o-line in the draft & pass rushing end & a #2 corner & hope to stay healthy and see what happens next year with another year of experience under these young guys belts!!!
Anonymous
Every one of the coaches you mentioned has a Super Bowl ring as a HEAD coach. Don’t compare Romeo’s assistant rings – that’s insulting. Belichick & Parcells won those rings, with help from Romeo. He’s finding out that running a football team is vastly different than running one particular section of the team. And he’s not learning much and is making plenty of mistakes in the process.
There is plenty of blame to spread among Crennel, Savage, and Lerner.
From the tone of the press conference, Romeo ain’t going anywhere. I’d say he’s on the hot seat next year from Game 1. The Browns need major help at RB, offensive line, the secondary, and on the defensive line. They won’t be better than 7-9 next year. The only way that Romeo keeps his job beyond ‘07 is if there is marked improvement next season and they are in every game. No more blowouts to division rivals will be tolerated.
Romeo is not on the hot seat. At minimum-Savage feels indebted to him for saving his job last summer. Hear the tone of the interview? Those coaches I mentioned did not get their SB rings there first or second years either. WHO HAS A BETTER RESUME THAN CRENNEL? I gaurantee you we get rid of him-he gets scooped up and win more rings. Don’t anyone recognize the oattern with coaches and players who leave Cleveland? The end up with rings-too many to be a coincidence. A SB ring is a SB ring-I don’t care if you’re the waterboy. Why in the WORLD we don’t hold players accountable for jack here I don’t understand. That’s why we never had a winner.
When you use your second round pick on a LB from W. Texas A&M, who’s record was 1-12, and who would’ve been available in the later rounds, how much accountability can you hold that player to? What about when you use a fifth round pick on a long snapper? Not a center, but a long snapper. Ever since 99, the Browns have been terrible talent evaluators. Quincy Morgan was drafted ahead of Chad “Ocho Cinco” Johnson. William Green was drafted before Clinton Portis, and DeShaun Foster. How much accountability can you hold a garbage player too?
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